WEBVTT 00:00:08.241 --> 00:00:13.441 Collegial cooperation – an educational perspective – 00:00:13.441 --> 00:00:21.273 What does cooperation mean when working with people with profound intellectual and multiple disabilities? 00:00:21.282 --> 00:00:23.282 People with profound intellectual and multiple disabilities are 00:00:23.282 --> 00:00:25.482 in many areas, they are dependent on 00:00:25.482 --> 00:00:27.102 bringing together the expertise 00:00:27.102 --> 00:00:29.502 of different people, 00:00:29.502 --> 00:00:32.822 so that both educational staff 00:00:32.822 --> 00:00:34.522 and staff work with them, 00:00:34.522 --> 00:00:37.222 as well as perhaps therapists or 00:00:37.222 --> 00:00:40.742 nurses working with them. 00:00:40.742 --> 00:00:41.142 That means 00:00:41.142 --> 00:00:45.422 you always have an interdisciplinary team 00:00:45.422 --> 00:00:46.962 who have to work together 00:00:46.962 --> 00:00:48.882 in order to achieve the best possible results. 00:00:49.474 --> 00:00:51.414 And collegial cooperation, 00:00:51.414 --> 00:00:52.394 as they called it, 00:00:52.394 --> 00:00:54.374 consists, in my view, 00:00:54.374 --> 00:00:58.174 in these team members acting in the client's best interests, 00:00:58.174 --> 00:00:59.154 in the interests of people 00:00:59.154 --> 00:01:02.594 with profound intellectual and multiple disabilities, 00:01:02.594 --> 00:01:04.154 somehow pull together, 00:01:04.154 --> 00:01:05.334 you could say, 00:01:05.334 --> 00:01:07.094 so that different perspectives 00:01:07.094 --> 00:01:09.254 can be taken into account. 00:01:09.254 --> 00:01:10.774 It is crucial 00:01:10.774 --> 00:01:12.754 that there is an exchange 00:01:12.754 --> 00:01:14.794 between the various members 00:01: 14.794 --> 00:01:18.634 of a team during a collegial consultation, 00:01:19.010 --> 00:01:22.310 So that's also a kind of competence, 00:01:22.310 --> 00:01:23.450 I wouldn't necessarily call it a transfer, 00:01:23.450 --> 00:01:25.370 but rather an expansion of competence, 00:01:25.370 --> 00:01:30.030 because I would find competence transfer too strong a term, 00:01:30.030 --> 00:01:33.310 because that could then look, under certain circumstances, 00:01:33.310 --> 00:01:35.890 as if you were simply the physical therapist 00:01:35.890 --> 00:01:36.730 briefly explains 00:01:36.730 --> 00:01:40.610 how it's done and then the teacher does it on their own from then on. 00:01:40.610 --> 00:01:42.950 So I would find that transfer of competence 00:01:42.950 --> 00:01:44.470 too difficult, too intense, 00:01:44.470 --> 00:01:46.430 but expanding skills, 00:01:47.138 --> 00:01:49.798 is definitely part of it, as is an exchange, 00:01:49.798 --> 00:01:51.338 a regular exchange 00:01:51.338 --> 00:01:52.538 between team members, 00:01:52.538 --> 00:01:54.018 where you constantly compare notes, 00:01:54.018 --> 00:01:54.978 what do we actually want, 00:01:54.978 --> 00:01:55.638 where do we want to go, 00:01:55.638 --> 00:01:56.518 what is the goal, 00:01:56.518 --> 00:02:00.658 how can we best support people. 00:02:00.658 --> 00:02:02.578 And, crucially, 00:02:02.578 --> 00:02:04.758 that the focus is on the person 00:02:04.758 --> 00:02:08.358 and not the team thinking to itself that 00:02:08.358 --> 00:02:10.238 that is the most important thing, 00:02:10.238 --> 00:02:11.578 that we all get along well, 00:02:11.578 --> 00:02:15.158 but that people are always really the focus 00:02:15.458 --> 00:02:18.518 and that everyone sees this as the central characteristic 00:02:18.518 --> 00:02:19.838 of this team. 00:02:20.176 --> 00:02:27.999 Can you give an example of what cooperation looks like in practice? 00:02:28.354 --> 00:02:29.434 Well, for example, if 00:02:29.434 --> 00:02:32.214 a person with a profound intellectual and multiple disability 00:02:32.214 --> 00:02:36.654 has to perform a task 00:02:36.654 --> 00:02:39.134 or some kind of professional activity, 00:02:39.134 --> 00:02:40.994 it's also about professional activities, 00:02:40.994 --> 00:02:42.914 should do a professional activity, 00:02:42.914 --> 00:02:45.374 which he cannot perform alone, 00:02:45.374 --> 00:02:48.094 that there are people 00:02:48.094 --> 00:02:49.534 who think about 00:02:49.534 --> 00:02:50.914 how it should be stored, 00:02:50.914 --> 00:02:52.714 that it's not just an educator who decides, 00:02:52.714 --> 00:02:54.574 what can be done with it now, 00:02:54.574 --> 00:02:55.674 but that, for example, 00:02:55.674 --> 00:02:57.454 a therapist is involved, 00:02:57.454 --> 00:03:00.162 who can provide advice on 00:03:00.162 --> 00:03:01.382 how it can be stored, 00:03:01.382 --> 00:03:03.202 whether it can be placed in a standing frame 00:03:03.202 --> 00:03:05.542 for example 00:03:05.542 --> 00:03:07.842 or that he can work standing there, 00:03:07.842 --> 00:03:10.202 perhaps with a caregiver present 00:03:10.202 --> 00:03:12.182 who is there to provide support. 00:03:12.182 --> 00:03:15.102 So that's how I see it. 00:03:15.565 --> 00:03:23.257 Is it important that cooperation partners get along well with each other? 00:03:23.426 --> 00:03:25.166 That's also very important, of course, 00:03:25.166 --> 00:03:27.826 that you take on tasks, 00:03:27.826 --> 00:03:29.846 when there is a need, 00:03:29.846 --> 00:03:31.706 that you step in when necessary. 00:03:31.706 --> 00:03:34.146 So there's a collegial atmosphere there too. 00:03:34.146 --> 00:03:35.906 But what would be important to me 00:03:35.906 --> 00:03:39.486 is that you don't value the team as an end in itself. 00:03:39.486 --> 00:03:41.706 We all work so well together as a team here 00:03:41.706 --> 00:03:44.606 because it's so nice, but that it really 00:03:44.606 --> 00:03:46.766 a key focus in terms of content 00:03:46.766 --> 00:03:50.066 and that should always be the main thing. 00:03:50.066 --> 00:03:51.126 But of course, 00:03:51.126 --> 00:03:53.702 the more you meet, 00:03:53.702 --> 00:03:55.282 the more you get to know each other, 00:03:55.282 --> 00:03:56.462 the more you talk to each other, even privately, 00:03:56.462 --> 00:03:59.762 the more you talk to each other privately. 00:03:59.762 --> 00:04:02.322 That's always a completely different story, 00:04:02.322 --> 00:04:03.022 when you know 00:04:03.022 --> 00:04:04.922 why someone might act one way or another, 00:04:04.922 --> 00:04:05.522 because you know 00:04:05.522 --> 00:04:07.702 what's going on at home or something, 00:04:07.702 --> 00:04:09.642 then you can assess it differently. 00:04:09.642 --> 00:04:12.022 And yet, or at the same time, 00:04:12.022 --> 00:04:13.482 as a colleague would say, 00:04:13.482 --> 00:04:15.042 it is very important 00:04:15.042 --> 00:04:19.161 that you don't lose sight of this central thematic issue 00:04:19.161 --> 00:04:20.402 out of sight. 00:04:20.823 --> 00:04:28.458 What is successful cooperation? 00:04:28.802 --> 00:04:31.542 Successful cooperation 00:04:31.542 --> 00:04:33.702 is characterized by the fact that 00:04:33.702 --> 00:04:36.422 everyone knows what the goal is, 00:04:36.422 --> 00:04:37.542 that everyone knows 00:04:37.542 --> 00:04:39.622 what this person is currently concerned with, 00:04:39.622 --> 00:04:42.342 what the next step is, 00:04:42.342 --> 00:04:45.262 that they may need to learn, or what the next step is, 00:04:45.262 --> 00:04:47.482 what you want to encourage 00:04:47.482 --> 00:04:49.102 or where you want to support him, 00:04:49.102 --> 00:04:53.602 that you also have similar values and norms, 00:04:53.602 --> 00:04:54.862 for example, 00:04:54.862 --> 00:04:58.450 that you have a similar idea of 00:04:58.450 --> 00:05:00.330 how much support someone needs, 00:05:00.330 --> 00:05:02.530 how much should be taken off their hands, 00:05:02.530 --> 00:05:05.330 which is actually the goal, 00:05:05.330 --> 00:05:08.950 also a similar picture of the work 00:05:08.950 --> 00:05:10.830 of people with profound intellectual and multiple disabilities. 00:05:10.830 --> 00:05:14.570 So that everyone in the team has a similar picture of it, 00:05:14.570 --> 00:05:16.870 that this is really work 00:05:16.870 --> 00:05:18.390 that is being done there and not 00:05:18.390 --> 00:05:19.370 that you think 00:05:19.370 --> 00:05:20.570 that some of them might be there 00:05:20.570 --> 00:05:23.530 think, the main thing is that he's 00:05:23.530 --> 00:05:25.770 okay and he's satisfied and so on, 00:05:25.770 --> 00:05:26.430 full and clean. 00:05:26.946 --> 00:05:28.806 but that this claim, 00:05:28.806 --> 00:05:30.606 that it is a shared claim, 00:05:30.606 --> 00:05:31.346 that one has, 00:05:31.346 --> 00:05:34.026 that work is something important, 00:05:34.026 --> 00:05:35.786 that it is also a human right, 00:05:35.786 --> 00:05:37.966 a right for all people 00:05:37.966 --> 00:05:40.586 and that these values and norms 00:05:40.586 --> 00:05:41.706 are shared, so to speak. 00:05: 41.706 --> 00:05:44.146 I think that's the key thing. 00:05:44.146 --> 00:05:48.326 Successful teamwork is also characterized by the fact that 00:05: 48.326 --> 00:05:51.206 that people want to continue working in the team, 00:05: 51.206 --> 00:05:53.206 so that there are no people 00:05:53.206 --> 00:05:54.406 who want to leave. 00:05:54.406 --> 00:05:56.846 That would also be an indication 00:05:56.846 --> 00:05:59.386 that it is successful teamwork. 00:05:59.386 --> 00:06:01.526 Regular team meetings 00:06:01.526 --> 00:06:03.746 are essential in my view, 00:06:03.746 --> 00:06:05.666 that once a week, 00:06:05.666 --> 00:06:07.306 would be my vote, 00:06:07.306 --> 00:06:08.826 once a week 00:06:08.826 --> 00:06:12.646 and also talk about the various people 00:06:12.646 --> 00:06:15.066 with whom you work. 00:06:15.066 --> 00:06:16.486 Because the problem is, 00:06:16.486 --> 00:06:17.426 if you don't do that, 00:06:17.426 --> 00:06:19.606 so if you don't meet regularly, 00:06:19.606 --> 00:06:20.886 then you only meet when 00:06:20.886 --> 00:06:21.866 when there are problems. 00:06:21.866 --> 00:06:23.266 And then you have 00:06:23.266 --> 00:06:27.218 a problem-centered view of things 00:06:27.218 --> 00:06:28.038 and of people. 00:06:28.038 --> 00:06:32.038 And that's a completely different approach, 00:06:32.038 --> 00:06:32.638 than if you say, 00:06:32.638 --> 00:06:34.078 we do this on a regular basis, 00:06:34.078 --> 00:06:35.698 always take one 00:06:35.698 --> 00:06:37.658 or other people 00:06:37.658 --> 00:06:39.538 and think about them, 00:06:39.538 --> 00:06:42.818 completely detached from the current problems 00:06:42.818 --> 00:06:44.198 that may arise, 00:06:44.198 --> 00:06:46.218 consider for this person, 00:06:46.218 --> 00:06:48.078 what the next goal could be, 00:06:48.078 --> 00:06:49.338 where we actually want to go, 00:06:49.338 --> 00:06:51.718 how are they doing, what do they want. 00:06:51.718 --> 00:07:01.017 Evaluation is considered an important aspect of successful cooperation. How can this be imagined in practice? 00:07:01.026 --> 00:07:04.326 Evaluation actually also means 00:07:04.326 --> 00:07:04.906 that you look at 00:07:04.906 --> 00:07:06.246 how it is for people now. 00:07:06.246 --> 00:07:08.406 I emphasized earlier 00:07:08.406 --> 00:07:09.766 how important it is 00:07:09.766 --> 00:07:11.746 people are the focus and that the goals 00:07:11.746 --> 00:07:14.486 are kept in mind and pursued. 00:07:14.486 --> 00:07:16.386 Now the problem is 00:07:16.386 --> 00:07:18.986 that you can't usually ask them yourself. 00:07:18.986 --> 00:07:21.966 This means we need other indicators 00:07:21.966 --> 00:07:23.826 for successful teamwork, 00:07:23.826 --> 00:07:26.026 to ensure that teamwork functions effectively. 00:07:26.026 --> 00:07:28. 686 What you can do, of course, is 00:07:28.686 --> 00:07:32.182 try to use external criteria, 00:07:32.182 --> 00:07:33.282 to see 00:07:33.282 --> 00:07:34.562 what we had set out to do 00:07:34.562 --> 00:07:37.202 at the beginning of our collaboration, 00:07:37.202 --> 00:07:39.162 what should happen, 00:07:39.162 --> 00:07:42.382 what development opportunities should he have, 00:07:42.382 --> 00:07:43.962 what had we imagined, 00:07:43.962 --> 00:07:45.262 how we would work together 00:07:45.262 --> 00:07:47.342 and that these questions 00:07:47.342 --> 00:07:49.382 reflected on these questions again and again, 00:07:49.382 --> 00:07:52.642 that practically, in a team, in a kind of 00:07:52.642 --> 00:07:56.822 collegial consultation, that's not 00:07:56.822 --> 00:07:59.782 that would be a completely different field, 00:07:59.782 --> 00:08:02.622 but that you do reassure yourself in the team 00:08:02.622 --> 00:08:04.642 about it every now and then, 00:08:04.642 --> 00:08:07.722 and step back to a kind of meta-level 00:08:07.722 --> 00:08:09.982 and consider whether we are actually 00:08:09.982 --> 00:08:11.882 still on the right track with what 00:08:11.882 --> 00:08:12.542 we're doing? 00:08:12.542 --> 00:08:14.822 Do we all still want this together? 00:08:14.822 --> 00:08:17.142 Are we still on the same page? 00:08:17.142 --> 00:08:20.182 The question of evaluation is also 00:08:20.182 --> 00:08:22.002 how to find that out. 00:08:22.002 --> 00:08:23.642 And I would imagine 00:08:23.642 --> 00:08:25.462 that you could really only 00:08:25.462 --> 00:08:27.842 find out through interviews, 00:08:27.842 --> 00:08:30.126 that you could now ask questions 00:08:30.210 --> 00:08:34.106 whether individual people from the team 00:08:34.106 --> 00:08:35.686 are satisfied with the teamwork, 00:08:35.686 --> 00:08:36.346 whether that is the case, 00:08:36.346 --> 00:08:37.746 how they imagined it would be, 00:08:37.746 --> 00:08:39.346 whether they would have expected something different. 00:08:39.346 --> 00:08:41.145 I don't think 00:08:41.145 --> 00:08:42.626 that you do that in practice, 00:08:42.626 --> 00:08:43.706 to be honest. 00:08:43.706 --> 00:08:44.206 I don't think 00:08:44.326 --> 00:08:47.726 that it's done that way, 00:08:47.726 --> 00:08:49.226 that people go there and ask, 00:08:49.226 --> 00:08:50.566 how things are going, 00:08:50.566 --> 00:08:51.206 how things are going. 00:08:51.206 --> 00:08:53.366 I don't think this evaluation is taking place. 00:08:53.366 --> 00:08:55.326 But I think it wouldn't be a bad idea 00:08:55.326 --> 00:08:56.466 if you were to ask yourself 00:08:56.578 --> 00:08:58.018 ask this question, 00:08:58.018 --> 00:08:58.958 so if you were to 00:08:58.958 --> 00:09:02.158 step back to a kind of meta-level 00:09:02.158 --> 00:09:04.698 and think about it. 00:09:04.698 --> 00:09:06.398 How does that actually work here with us? 00:09:06.670 --> 00:09:14.716 What opportunities arise from successful cooperation? 00:09:14.882 --> 00:09:17.142 There are various opportunities. 00:09:17.142 --> 00:09:20.062 Firstly, on an educational level 00:09:20.062 --> 00:09:22.282 or work level, I believe 00:09:22,282 that people benefit greatly 00:09:24,902 when different professions 00:09:26.662 --> 00:09:29.942 work together with their respective expertise 00:09:29.942 --> 00:09:31.582 and when it's not just the educator 00:09:31.582 --> 00:09:33.122 just somehow fits together, 00:09:33.122 --> 00:09:35.082 what the best position is, 00:09:35.082 --> 00:09:37.382 but that there is actually 00:09:37.382 --> 00:09:41.642 an expansion of competence taking place. 00:09:41.642 --> 00:09:45.158 And vice versa, that in nursing situations 00:09:45.158 --> 00:09:46.658. for example, educational aspects 00:09:46.658 --> 00:09:47.558 can also be incorporated. 00:09:47.558 --> 00:09:48.638 So I believe that 00:09:48.638 --> 00:09:54.578 is a great enrichment for the person themselves. 00:09:54.578 --> 00:09:57.158 And for the teams, I think 00:09:57.158 --> 00:09:58.678 it's also a great enrichment. 00:09:58.678 --> 00:10:02.518 On the one hand, it's a great 00:10:02.518 --> 00:10:04.478 so it can be a great relief, 00:10:04.478 --> 00:10:07.318 because you simply share the responsibility 00:10:07.318 --> 00:10:09.258 and the shared concern 00:10:09.258 --> 00:10:12.478 or the shared goal. 00:10:13.218 --> 00:10:16.098 so you think things through together, 00:10:16.098 --> 00:10:18.758 how the work should be done, 00:10:18.758 --> 00:10:19.738 what you consider important, 00:10:19.738 --> 00:10:21.838 what to prioritize now, and so on, 00:10:21.838 --> 00:10:23.298 that this decision 00:10:23.298 --> 00:10:25.158 was not made alone, but that you 00:10:25.158 --> 00:10:26.538 made it together 00:10:26.538 --> 00:10:27.518 with other competent people. 00:10:27.518 --> 00:10:29.198 That can also be a great relief. 00:10:29.198 --> 00:10:31.278 Especially when it comes to 00:10:31.278 --> 00:10:33.598 an interdisciplinary team, 00:10:33.598 --> 00:10:37.178 then, in my view, this creates the opportunity 00:10:37.178 --> 00:10:40.922 for different professional expertise and 00:10:40.922 --> 00:10:43.442 professional perspectives to come together. 00:10:43.442 --> 00:10:45.542 I believe this is an important opportunity 00:10:45.542 --> 00:10:46.782 that arises from this. 00:10:46,782 - -> 00:10:49,322 Another one, I think, 00:10:49.322 --> 00:10:51.142 is that there is also the possibility 00:10:51.142 --> 00:10:53.582 that you have different people 00:10:53.582 --> 00:10:55.602 with whom you can come into contact, 00:10:55.602 --> 00:10:58.182 as a person with a profound intellectual and multiple disability, 00:10:58.182 --> 00:11:00.142 that you don't just have one caregiver 00:11:00.142 --> 00:11:02.162 and if I don't get along well with them, 00:11:02.162 --> 00:11:03.762 then I have a problem, 00:11:03.762 --> 00:11:05.862 but that various other people 00:11:05.862 --> 00:11:08.274 might have to deal with me again, 00:11:08.274 --> 00:11:10.274 that there might also be the possibility, for example, 00:11:10.274 --> 00:11:12.834 organize same-sex care, 00:11:12.834 --> 00:11:14.234 if there are different people there, 00:11:14.234 --> 00:11:17.754 than if it's just a man, for example, 00:11:17.754 --> 00:11:20.294 who would work with me, and I am a woman. 00:11:20.738 --> 00:11:28.735 How can cooperation be supported? 00:11:28.930 --> 00:11:30.570 I believe that for teamwork 00:11:30.570 --> 00:11:32.390 to really work well, 00:11:32.390 --> 00:11:35.330 it is very important that the institution, 00:11:35.330 --> 00:11:36.870 that within the institution 00:11:36.870 --> 00:11:38.390 such a philosophy prevails, 00:11:38.390 --> 00:11:40.010 such a mission statement prevails, 00:11:40.010 --> 00:11:41.730 that teamwork is important. 00:11:41.730 --> 00:11:43.830 So that the management 00:11:43.830 --> 00:11:45.910 of the institution is also convinced 00:11:45.910 --> 00:11:48.510 that teamwork is central and important 00:11:48.510 --> 00:11:51.890 for the benefit of people with profound intellectual and multiple disabilities, 00:11:51.890 --> 00:11:54.530 precisely because we depend on it, 00:11:54.530 --> 00:11:55.210 that there are so many 00:11:55.210 --> 00:11:57.510 different disciplines working together. 00:11:59.234 --> 00:12:00.874 If that's not how it's seen, 00:12:00.874 --> 00:12:03.714 then it's difficult to create space for it. 00:12:03,714 - -> 00:12:05,574 It's always a question of 00:12:05.574 --> 00:12:08. 534 how many hours are made available for this? 00:12:08.534 --> 00:12:11.394 Is it even planned 00:12:11.394 --> 00:12:12.414 that people can meet? 00:12:12.414 --> 00:12:14.934 Of course, this is a problem for the nursing staff 00:12:14.934 --> 00:12:17.094 and the therapists, 00:12:17.094 --> 00:12:21.654 because they don't usually have the time for it. 00:12:21.654 --> 00:12:23.814 As a manager, you have to 00:12:23.814 --> 00:12:25.774 somehow create opportunities and incentives 00:12:26.402 --> 00:12:28.882 so that it is somehow seen as something important 00:12:28.882 --> 00:12:30.522 and as something central, 00:12:30.522 --> 00:12:33.822 so that these team members are also included there, 00: 12:33.822 --> 00:12:36.082 including the FSJ volunteers and the Bufdis, 00:12:36.082 --> 00:12:38.382 so that they are included there, 00:12:38.382 --> 00:12:39.622 because, in my opinion, they are also 00:12:39.622 --> 00:12:42.202 very important team members, 00:12:42.202 --> 00:12:44.022 which the others can also benefit from. 00:12:44.022 --> 00:12:46.382 They are often very close and very close 00:12:46.382 --> 00:12:47.962 to people with profound intellectual and multiple disabilities, 00:12:47.962 --> 00:12:49.062 so they learn a lot 00:12:49.062 --> 00:12:50.982 about everyday life, 00:12:50.982 --> 00:12:54.182 but they are hardly ever 00:12:54.182 --> 00:12:57.586 or often not trained in education 00:12:57.586 --> 00:12:59.126 or nursing training, 00:12:59.126 --> 00:13:01.346 so that they are very dependent on 00:13:01.346 --> 00:13:03.666 to experience this expansion of their skills, 00:13:03.666 --> 00:13:05.986 because otherwise they do things based on gut feeling, 00:13:05.986 --> 00:13:07.486 whatever comes to mind, 00:13:07.486 --> 00:13:09.146 whatever you could do with people like that. 00:13:09.146 --> 00:13:10.406 And that doesn't always have to 00:13:10.406 --> 00:13:12.826 be pedagogically meaningful. 00:13:12.826 --> 00:13:15.666 For example, if you had someone as a volunteer 00:13:15.666 --> 00:13:16.446 who thinks, 00:13:16.446 --> 00:13:17.706 oh yes, the poor thing, 00:13:17.706 --> 00:13:19.046 I have to take a lot off his hands 00:13:19.046 --> 00:13:22.198 and the educational goal 00:13:22.198 --> 00:13:23.718 would be, for example, 00:13:23.718 --> 00:13:26.958 to expand the range of activities, 00:13:26.958 --> 00:13:29.018 then that goes directly against it. 00:13:29.018 --> 00:13:29.338 That means 00:13:29.338 --> 00:13:30.978 you have to discuss it, 00:13:30.978 --> 00:13:32.938 because otherwise, especially those 00:13:32.938 --> 00:13:35.398 well-trained personnel 00:13:35.398 --> 00:13:38.098 who work a lot with people, 00:13:38.118 --> 00:13:40.538 do things 00:13:40.538 --> 00:13:44.518 that are not actually intended by the education system. 00:13:44.518 --> 00:13:45.078 That means 00:13:45.078 --> 00:13:46.338 you actually need this space 00:13:46.338 --> 00:13: 49.498 to exchange ideas, and they also have to be there. 00:13:49.826 --> 00:13:51.106 And in my opinion, they can 00:13:51.106 --> 00:13:52.866 contribute a great deal to 00:13:52.866 --> 00:13:56.966 to ensure that the view of people is comprehensive. 00:13:56.966 --> 00:13:59.866 So that through this daily contact, 00:13:59.866 --> 00:14:00.486 they have, 00:14:00.486 --> 00:14:03.026 they might perceive things in a completely different way, 00:14:03.026 --> 00:14:03.546 can see 00:14:03.546 --> 00:14:06.706 than educators or therapists can, 00:14:06.706 --> 00:14:08.226 who don't see the person that often.